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#51 Antigone

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 09:23 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 09:24 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...


siguro...
if that is how you equate it

security = money

#53 entcastromd

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 09:49 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?


totoo yan... kaya nga nandito pa rin sila at hindi sila nagiging nurses sa US.. dahil kung maliit ang kita nila, lilipad na rin sila sa US..

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 09:59 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.


hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?


totoo yan... kaya nga nandito pa rin sila at hindi sila nagiging nurses sa US.. dahil kung maliit ang kita nila, lilipad na rin sila sa US..


Meron ding yatang iba? Kasi yung kilala ko na big-time na surgeon na halos major OR everyday, tapos meron aesthetic center saka diagnostic center nag nurse. Sabi niya para sa anak daw niya.

Yung classmate ko din nung nursing student ako, plastic surgeon na medical director. Meron pang sikat na neurosurgeon na nag nursing.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:01 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...


siguro...
if that is how you equate it

security = money



would you feel secure if your broke?

#56 entcastromd

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:04 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.


hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?


totoo yan... kaya nga nandito pa rin sila at hindi sila nagiging nurses sa US.. dahil kung maliit ang kita nila, lilipad na rin sila sa US..


Meron ding yatang iba? Kasi yung kilala ko na big-time na surgeon na halos major OR everyday, tapos meron aesthetic center saka diagnostic center nag nurse. Sabi niya para sa anak daw niya.

Yung classmate ko din nung nursing student ako, plastic surgeon na medical director. Meron pang sikat na neurosurgeon na nag nursing.



kung talagang malaki ang kita mo, at enough para sa pamilya mo.. baket ka aalis, magttrabaho sa ibang bansa, at hihiwalay sa pamilya mo? that statement "para sa anak nya" di ba yun din ang sinasabi ng mga OFW?

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:08 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...


siguro...
if that is how you equate it

security = money



would you feel secure if your broke?


basta pare ang sa akin ganito lang:

security = maayos na sistema ng gobyerno

security = less corrupt officials ruling the land

security = equal opportunities for all/ equality

security = peace of mind

security = secure environment.

and yes, there is such a term as financial security.

hinde lang naman pera ang dahilan ng pagnunursing ng karamihang md. And security is not define by money alone.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:08 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.


hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?


totoo yan... kaya nga nandito pa rin sila at hindi sila nagiging nurses sa US.. dahil kung maliit ang kita nila, lilipad na rin sila sa US..


Meron ding yatang iba? Kasi yung kilala ko na big-time na surgeon na halos major OR everyday, tapos meron aesthetic center saka diagnostic center nag nurse. Sabi niya para sa anak daw niya.

Yung classmate ko din nung nursing student ako, plastic surgeon na medical director. Meron pang sikat na neurosurgeon na nag nursing.



kung talagang malaki ang kita mo, at enough para sa pamilya mo.. baket ka aalis, magttrabaho sa ibang bansa, at hihiwalay sa pamilya mo? that statement "para sa anak nya" di ba yun din ang sinasabi ng mga OFW?



Hindi ko alam Doc. Pero kasi siguro naman kung halos araw araw major OR mo, me aesthetic center ka pa, me diagnostic center pa yung asawa mong radio, siguro naman mas malaki kita niya sa nurse sa US?

Sorry di ko masasagot yan, doc, kasi siya lang makakapag-explain ng sarili niya eh. Kasi dahilan/desisyon niya yun. Ni-share ko lang sinabi niya sa akin. Ang sabi niya kasi nga yung anak niya mas madaming opportunities na mabubuksan pag naging American citizen. Saka di naman siya mahihiwalay sa pamilya ata kasi pag nurses, kasama buong pamilya sa petition.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:32 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...


siguro...
if that is how you equate it

security = money



would you feel secure if your broke?


basta pare ang sa akin ganito lang:

security = maayos na sistema ng gobyerno

security = less corrupt officials ruling the land

security = equal opportunities for all/ equality

security = peace of mind

security = secure environment.

and yes, there is such a term as financial security.

hinde lang naman pera ang dahilan ng pagnunursing ng karamihang md. And security is not define by money alone.


why do we want a good government, less corrupt officials, equal opportunities? hindi ba because of a bad government, corrupt officials, less opportunities, yun ang mga dahilan ng paghihirap natin? di ba dun sinisisi kung bakit dumadami mahihirap satin? so wat ur saying nat in a country with less corrupt officials, better government system, equal opportunities, mas "greener pasteur" doon... kung sabihin na natin na maayos ang gobyerno, walang corrupt officials, equal opportunities, meron kang peace of mind, meron ka din na secure environment dito sa pinas, pero ang sweldo mo lang as a dr is 10k a month, willl u still stay hir and practice your profession as a dr?

pls dont get me wrong.... im not saying that taking up nursing after being a doctor is bad.. i do not condemn it at all... i have lots of friends who are doctors and took up nursing. fine with me. aminado naman sila, hirap talaga sila sa kita kung practice lang ang pagkukunan. kasi kung yun talaga ang paraan para makakuha ng pera, hindi naman masama yun. anong magagawa natin, kailangan talaga ang pera. kailangan ang pera para kumain tayo araw araw. kailangan ng pera para maayos ang tirahan natin. kailangan ng pera para mabuhay ang pamilya natin... kailangan ng pera para ayusin ang kinabukasan ng mga anak natin.. (pero wala pa akong anak ha.. im very single) hindi ba nasa pera naman talaga yun? kung wala kang pera, ano kakainin ng pamilya mo? saan ka titira? kung wala kang pera, pano mo pag-aaralin ang anak mo....

i have a friend.. general practitioner. he's a single dad. with one 6 year-old kid. took up nursing here and hoped to go abroad... for obvious reasons. ang tagal ng visa nya.. dami pang papers na kailangan.. he couldnt wait... nag set up sya ng business... and it was good.. ngayon malakas na ang kita nya. his business plus his medical practice earns far more than enough for him and his kid, and they both rest comfortably on their savings... so he stays here with his kid. living a "secure" life. dats why we party almost every night... :tongue:

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:34 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.


hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?


totoo yan... kaya nga nandito pa rin sila at hindi sila nagiging nurses sa US.. dahil kung maliit ang kita nila, lilipad na rin sila sa US..


Meron ding yatang iba? Kasi yung kilala ko na big-time na surgeon na halos major OR everyday, tapos meron aesthetic center saka diagnostic center nag nurse. Sabi niya para sa anak daw niya.

Yung classmate ko din nung nursing student ako, plastic surgeon na medical director. Meron pang sikat na neurosurgeon na nag nursing.



kung talagang malaki ang kita mo, at enough para sa pamilya mo.. baket ka aalis, magttrabaho sa ibang bansa, at hihiwalay sa pamilya mo? that statement "para sa anak nya" di ba yun din ang sinasabi ng mga OFW?



Hindi ko alam Doc. Pero kasi siguro naman kung halos araw araw major OR mo, me aesthetic center ka pa, me diagnostic center pa yung asawa mong radio, siguro naman mas malaki kita niya sa nurse sa US?

Sorry di ko masasagot yan, doc, kasi siya lang makakapag-explain ng sarili niya eh. Kasi dahilan/desisyon niya yun. Ni-share ko lang sinabi niya sa akin. Ang sabi niya kasi nga yung anak niya mas madaming opportunities na mabubuksan pag naging American citizen. Saka di naman siya mahihiwalay sa pamilya ata kasi pag nurses, kasama buong pamilya sa petition.


ano ba yng "opportunity" na sinasabi nila? di ba opportunity to have a good career? para maganda ang kita, di ba? he wants to go to the US because he wants to bring his family there.. kasi he presumes that his kids will not earn enuf if they stay here in the philippines... parang ganun ang naiiisip ko..

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 10:57 AM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.

hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...


siguro...
if that is how you equate it

security = money



would you feel secure if your broke?


basta pare ang sa akin ganito lang:

security = maayos na sistema ng gobyerno

security = less corrupt officials ruling the land

security = equal opportunities for all/ equality

security = peace of mind

security = secure environment.

and yes, there is such a term as financial security.

hinde lang naman pera ang dahilan ng pagnunursing ng karamihang md. And security is not define by money alone.


why do we want a good government, less corrupt officials, equal opportunities? hindi ba because of a bad government, corrupt officials, less opportunities, yun ang mga dahilan ng paghihirap natin? di ba dun sinisisi kung bakit dumadami mahihirap satin? so wat ur saying nat in a country with less corrupt officials, better government system, equal opportunities, mas "greener pasteur" doon... kung sabihin na natin na maayos ang gobyerno, walang corrupt officials, equal opportunities, meron kang peace of mind, meron ka din na secure environment dito sa pinas, pero ang sweldo mo lang as a dr is 10k a month, willl u still stay hir and practice your profession as a dr?

pls dont get me wrong.... im not saying that taking up nursing after being a doctor is bad.. i do not condemn it at all... i have lots of friends who are doctors and took up nursing. fine with me. aminado naman sila, hirap talaga sila sa kita kung practice lang ang pagkukunan. kasi kung yun talaga ang paraan para makakuha ng pera, hindi naman masama yun. anong magagawa natin, kailangan talaga ang pera. kailangan ang pera para kumain tayo araw araw. kailangan ng pera para maayos ang tirahan natin. kailangan ng pera para mabuhay ang pamilya natin... kailangan ng pera para ayusin ang kinabukasan ng mga anak natin.. (pero wala pa akong anak ha.. im very single) hindi ba nasa pera naman talaga yun? kung wala kang pera, ano kakainin ng pamilya mo? saan ka titira? kung wala kang pera, pano mo pag-aaralin ang anak mo....

i have a friend.. general practitioner. he's a single dad. with one 6 year-old kid. took up nursing here and hoped to go abroad... for obvious reasons. ang tagal ng visa nya.. dami pang papers na kailangan.. he couldnt wait... nag set up sya ng business... and it was good.. ngayon malakas na ang kita nya. his business plus his medical practice earns far more than enough for him and his kid, and they both rest comfortably on their savings... so he stays here with his kid. living a "secure" life. dats why we party almost every night... :tongue:



siguro nga po.Yung iba siguro kung bakit nag nursing e dahil sa mas malaki ang kita.But let us not generalize, kasi sa totoo lang hinde naman lahat ng nagnursing e dahilan pera. Sabi ko nga kanina, there is such a financial security, but it does not define/depict the essence of what security is.

Yung mga big time consultants dito na nagnursing, you cant tell na ang dahilan nila e pera. Maybe its for their kids, for themselves,for their families, or baka gusto lang nila talaga tumira sa isang first world country versus a third world country like us. Siguro may maganda silang dahilan kung bakit at hinde lang dahil sa pera. It took a lot of thinking for us to arive at that decision, and we did it because maybe it will work best for us that way.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 04:30 PM

sana Lord madami pang doctor mag NURSE para konti nalang kami matira dito Pilipinas, Amen

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 05:24 PM

why not? quality of life siguro or for security reasons



exactly.... pera din nman issue dito di ba?



Siguro po kasi baka gusto nila ng mas maayos na sistema ng gobyerno, yung less corrupt officials ang magpapatakbo ng bansang titirahan nila, yung at least may peace of mind sila kasi alam mo nila yung mga anak nila titira sa mas magandang environment, mas secure, and to have at least a fair chance in life for opportunities ang mga anak nila.

Dito kasi yung merong stability eh yung mga artista, mga pulitiko for as long as they hold on to power, bold star, basketball player, at si manny paquio na boxer.


hehe



so di ba obvious na ang mga sinasabi mong may stability ay yung mga may pera...



Yung ibang consultants ata dito kumikita ng mas malaki kesa sa mga nurses sa US?


totoo yan... kaya nga nandito pa rin sila at hindi sila nagiging nurses sa US.. dahil kung maliit ang kita nila, lilipad na rin sila sa US..


Meron ding yatang iba? Kasi yung kilala ko na big-time na surgeon na halos major OR everyday, tapos meron aesthetic center saka diagnostic center nag nurse. Sabi niya para sa anak daw niya.

Yung classmate ko din nung nursing student ako, plastic surgeon na medical director. Meron pang sikat na neurosurgeon na nag nursing.



kung talagang malaki ang kita mo, at enough para sa pamilya mo.. baket ka aalis, magttrabaho sa ibang bansa, at hihiwalay sa pamilya mo? that statement "para sa anak nya" di ba yun din ang sinasabi ng mga OFW?



Hindi ko alam Doc. Pero kasi siguro naman kung halos araw araw major OR mo, me aesthetic center ka pa, me diagnostic center pa yung asawa mong radio, siguro naman mas malaki kita niya sa nurse sa US?

Sorry di ko masasagot yan, doc, kasi siya lang makakapag-explain ng sarili niya eh. Kasi dahilan/desisyon niya yun. Ni-share ko lang sinabi niya sa akin. Ang sabi niya kasi nga yung anak niya mas madaming opportunities na mabubuksan pag naging American citizen. Saka di naman siya mahihiwalay sa pamilya ata kasi pag nurses, kasama buong pamilya sa petition.


ano ba yng "opportunity" na sinasabi nila? di ba opportunity to have a good career? para maganda ang kita, di ba? he wants to go to the US because he wants to bring his family there.. kasi he presumes that his kids will not earn enuf if they stay here in the philippines... parang ganun ang naiiisip ko..



Sabi ko nga doc, di ko masasagot yan. Pwede ding kasing hindi lang pera di ba? Pwede ding in terms of, ewan, achievements siguro? Di ko alam eh. Pero kung ako, gusto ko, if magkakaanak ako mag aaral sa Harvard or Yale para astig. Baka along those lines?

Pero again, di ko yan masasagot kasi hindi siya ako.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 05:25 PM

sana Lord madami pang doctor mag NURSE para konti nalang kami matira dito Pilipinas, Amen


Retrogression eh.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 06:42 PM

sana Lord madami pang doctor mag NURSE para konti nalang kami matira dito Pilipinas, Amen



ay. nagnurse ka na din ba? kundi pa, then answer your prayer. :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 02:59 AM

ay. nagnurse ka na din ba? kundi pa, then answer your prayer

why should i? MD to RN ka ba? am i attacking you personally? oh well di mo man aminin o aminin mo man isa ka sa mga dahilan kung bakit bumababa ang pagtingin ng mga tao sa doktor, kung pano kaming nagsisimula palang iridicule and maliitin ng mga kalahi mong nurse!

kung masaya ka na sa pagnanursing bat nandito ka pa pinoymd? mahiya ka naman!

to tell you ANG BABA BABA ng tingin ng mga tao sa doktor! is that something to be proud of!

kung pinili mong magnurse, manahimik k nalang kasi nakakahiya ka! being MD to RN is not something to proud of!

this is between argus and me, wag na makisawsaw! PINOYMD to! hinde PINOYMD to PINOYRN!

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 03:02 AM

ilock na to, nurses have no place in this forum!

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 03:58 AM

ay. nagnurse ka na din ba? kundi pa, then answer your prayer

why should i? MD to RN ka ba? am i attacking you personally? oh well di mo man aminin o aminin mo man isa ka sa mga dahilan kung bakit bumababa ang pagtingin ng mga tao sa doktor, kung pano kaming nagsisimula palang iridicule and maliitin ng mga kalahi mong nurse!

kung masaya ka na sa pagnanursing bat nandito ka pa pinoymd? mahiya ka naman!

to tell you ANG BABA BABA ng tingin ng mga tao sa doktor! is that something to be proud of!

kung pinili mong magnurse, manahimik k nalang kasi nakakahiya ka! being MD to RN is not something to proud of!

this is between argus and me, wag na makisawsaw! PINOYMD to! hinde PINOYMD to PINOYRN!



ay. hahaha. hinde kita papatulan. basahin mo ulit ang thread

kaya may mababang tingin sa dotor e dahil sa kagaya mo na pinapababa ang sarili

ewan ko, pero nakamove on na ako. ikaw magmove on ka na din

#69 argus

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:04 AM

ilock na to, nurses have no place in this forum!



sus kung makapagsalita parang may ari ng pinoy md ha. :lol: :lol: :lol:

yung me ari ng forum me article na nga na sinulat

about MD RN na nakakaiyak.

iha me pedestal ka din ba?

bat ganun? mga bagong pasa sa boards me pedestal na nakuha sa prc?

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:31 AM

Ang tagal na nitong away na to, ah. Well, makikisawsaw ako kasi gusto ko.

Let's not lose sight of the big picture here. Sino ba talaga ang me kasalanan kung bakit demoralized na ang karamihang na MD sa tin? Ano ba talaga ang sanhi ng MD-RN phenomenon? Sa bawat Pilipino na nagdesisyon o magdedesisyon na umalis para mamuhay sa isang bansa na hindi kinamulatan, tingin nyo ba naging madali yon?

Immigration is a fundamental right of each and every person...it has happened for thousands of years and will continue to do so. Selfishness has nothing to do with it.

People who whine and do nothing about it are just plain losers.

I'm a US trained Pinoy MD and will NOT hesitate to seek an alternate career if I think it will make me happy.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 12:33 PM

Ang tagal na nitong away na to, ah. Well, makikisawsaw ako kasi gusto ko.

Let's not lose sight of the big picture here. Sino ba talaga ang me kasalanan kung bakit demoralized na ang karamihang na MD sa tin? Ano ba talaga ang sanhi ng MD-RN phenomenon? Sa bawat Pilipino na nagdesisyon o magdedesisyon na umalis para mamuhay sa isang bansa na hindi kinamulatan, tingin nyo ba naging madali yon?

Immigration is a fundamental right of each and every person...it has happened for thousands of years and will continue to do so. Selfishness has nothing to do with it.

People who whine and do nothing about it are just plain losers.

I'm a US trained Pinoy MD and will NOT hesitate to seek an alternate career if I think it will make me happy.

ADRJ----this response of Dr. docyoda is for MDs who DONT HAVE GOOD ATTITUDE for MDs who are practicing as NURSES now...

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 12:34 PM

sa tingin ko.. pera lang ang usapan jan...

kung malakas ang kita ng dr, sa tingin nyo mag-nurse pa kaya sya?


Yung isa kong kaibigan, di pera ang habol, kasi malaki ang kita niya sa pilipinas. Ang habol e makapaghanap ng asawa dito, wala na kasing makitang available guys -- kaya nag nurse.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 02:03 PM

lets put it in simple terms.

For every primary action (intentional or otherwise), there is a reaction (could be negative or positive). Fundamental law of physics. Fact of life. We should learn to deal with it.

Pasimplehin pa natin.

Lets say merong taong nag-videoke (nag-magic sing, yay!) sa kanyang condo...sya ay kumakanta ng..(ehem)"My way?"...

ang tanging intensyon ay aliwin ang kanyang sarili o barkada o pamilya (after a hard days work)...

hindi nya alam na sa kanyang kalapit condo, merong mga natutuwa...

pero meron ding mga nadisgusto (nasagasaan) sa boses nya...

yung mga nadisgusto ay sumigaw ng: "Hoy! magpatulog ka naman!!"

.. at yung kumakanta naman ay sumagot ng: "Hoy ka din! pakialam ko sa inyo, basta masaya ako/kami!"....

.. so ano ang solusyon upang ma-resolba ito? Ah Tama... 'komunikasyon' lang siguro, gumawa ng "tulay" , mag-usap ang magkabilang kampo..

..nang sa gayun ay magkaroon ng kompromiso.


....imo ganito lang to eh. :eyebrows:

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:30 AM

This long argument is just academic. This immigration loophole is now closed. If your pre-med is Nursing, it's not a problem but if you're already an MD and thinking about migrating as a nurse, I don't see the solution coming very soon. I would suggest that if you have to leave, try working as MD's in other countries like Singapore, AUS, NZ, or Middle East. Those are areas with some opportunities.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:34 AM

lets put it in simple terms.

For every primary action (intentional or otherwise), there is a reaction (could be negative or positive). Fundamental law of physics. Fact of life. We should learn to deal with it.

Pasimplehin pa natin.

Lets say merong taong nag-videoke (nag-magic sing, yay!) sa kanyang condo...sya ay kumakanta ng..(ehem)"My way?"...

ang tanging intensyon ay aliwin ang kanyang sarili o barkada o pamilya (after a hard days work)...

hindi nya alam na sa kanyang kalapit condo, merong mga natutuwa...

pero meron ding mga nadisgusto (nasagasaan) sa boses nya...

yung mga nadisgusto ay sumigaw ng: "Hoy! magpatulog ka naman!!"

.. at yung kumakanta naman ay sumagot ng: "Hoy ka din! pakialam ko sa inyo, basta masaya ako/kami!"....

.. so ano ang solusyon upang ma-resolba ito? Ah Tama... 'komunikasyon' lang siguro, gumawa ng "tulay" , mag-usap ang magkabilang kampo..

..nang sa gayun ay magkaroon ng kompromiso.


....imo ganito lang to eh. :eyebrows:



exactly. I agree. Both side should hear each other out. Several reasons have been given... but i guess everyone is just so pre occupied to prepare for counter attacks, and defense, and we have neglected a fundamental way of communication, and that is to listen.

Instead parang bastusan ang nagyayari. Vindictive words have been hurled and accusations were thrown against each other, for some they even have the guts to point fingers and claim that the destruction of the medical profession as a whole can solely be blamed because of the so-called "md-rns", that their lack of good reputation can be explained because of "those selfish doctors who went into nursing" . Where in fact one of the reasons presented , aside from several ones, mostly it is for greener pasteur...

Is respect a higly volatile word now a days? Or is it because some people are just ailen to it?


Well, i cant blame other people outside the medical profession, if they mock doctors or even look down at us.

Why?

How would you expect "others" to respect the medical profession, if some doctors look down at their fellow doctors, mock their own kind. How do we expect to gain their trust and confidence if we are laughing at our brothers and sisters in the medical field, and even persecute them.


to quote one member:

"to tell you ANG BABA BABA ng tingin ng mga tao sa doktor! is that something to be proud of!

kung pinili mong magnurse, manahimik k nalang kasi nakakahiya ka! being MD to RN is not something to proud of!"


Do we deserve this kind of persecution? Does anyone deserve this kind of treatment? Again maybe because, respect is highly alienated for some... And so why would I, or even the whole medical profession deserve the respect we're itching to achieve if we cant even give it to our brothers and sisters in the profession.... Just a thought.

Reasons have been layed over and over again, several times in different threads, different articles have been written about this so called md-rn phenomenon. But the "righteous ones" dont even try to understand why this is happening. Then , there could never be a reason sufficient enough for them to understand this phenomenon. And so i rest my case.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:50 AM

This long argument is just academic. This immigration loophole is now closed. If your pre-med is Nursing, it's not a problem but if you're already an MD and thinking about migrating as a nurse, I don't see the solution coming very soon. I would suggest that if you have to leave, try working as MD's in other countries like Singapore, AUS, NZ, or Middle East. Those are areas with some opportunities.


If the reason is because of the retrogression.Is there any difference if... 1) your pre med is nursing , 2) youre an md and plans to go into nursing, and 3) md-rn's already?

Im just curious... ^_^

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:49 PM

ilock na to, nurses have no place in this forum!


aack..pano RN-MD..hehehe :laugh2:

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:06 AM

This long argument is just academic. This immigration loophole is now closed. If your pre-med is Nursing, it's not a problem but if you're already an MD and thinking about migrating as a nurse, I don't see the solution coming very soon. I would suggest that if you have to leave, try working as MD's in other countries like Singapore, AUS, NZ, or Middle East. Those are areas with some opportunities.


If the reason is because of the retrogression.Is there any difference if... 1) your pre med is nursing , 2) youre an md and plans to go into nursing, and 3) md-rn's already?

Im just curious... ^_^

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, my point is that if you are already an MD it might be better to look for other opportunities instead of Nursing. Otherwise everybody is in the same boat. Even here in the US, I often advised those high schoolers with average grades and interested in medical field just to go for Nursing. If they can't make it to med school, they have a stable job even in recessions. Working as a nurse in the Philippines is different as it is now saturated with unemployment.

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:48 PM

I am not an MD-RN or an RN-MD but a Pharmacist-MD now working in the States as a Pharmacist and I can relate in way to this thread. This thread really wakes up emotions in some of us PinoyMDs. Iba-iba naman reasons for taking this route, but of course its basically economic. Each of us however, have their reasons. Whatever profession we eventually may practice, the basic thing thing should remain--we strive to excel--be it a nurse, a doctor or a pharmacist. And we remains individuals with values, and showing the world what Filipinos are made of. Let us not bring down our fellow doctors, working now as RNs, pharmacists, or whatever, in places far far away from home. Theirs I believe is a journey fraught with difficult challenges and decisions,of discrimination and loneliness, and of course of new opportunities which many times cannot be found home. Wouldn't it be better to wish them well, and at times remind them not to forget their roots and contribute in whatever way they can, once they reach their full economic potential in countries where they may have found themselves in. Just my two cents worth....

#80 edalbau

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 02:10 AM

sana Lord madami pang doctor mag NURSE para konti nalang kami matira dito Pilipinas, Amen


Retrogression eh.


hanggang Oct 2009 daw yata...
http://www.murthy.com/visadate.html

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 08:15 AM

My uncle and aunt who are both Philippine MDs went to the US as nurses at first. Based on my uncle's justification, he wanted to progress financially faster. Hindi naman kase sya sobrang yaman and he has his own family na. It's true that he used to earn a lot din here sa Phils but it was like he put his family first. Yung kita nya ng 1 month dito sa Pilipinas as a medical doctor, he is able to make it as a USRN within a week or two. So, for him, mas mabilis nyang mapoprovide ng magandang life ang daughter nya and his wife.

But then again, he would always talk to us and have a little regret. Even if he gets paid more as a nurse, sobrang toxic sya sa work. "Minsan mo lang rin ma-enjoy yung salary mo kase puro work at pagod", he would say. Siguro andun narin yung factor na parang na-demote sya. (I don't mean anything derogatory to nurses because I am an RN as well, in med proper now). So I think if he was to make a choice again, and not go for a faster way to earn, he would still choose to stay.

Pero as of now, he and his wife are already doing their residencies again. :(

Nakakasad lang because a lot of Filipino doctors have been migrating already. Sana din kase magkaroon ng more budget ang health sector dito sa country... Nonetheless, I still am proud of all Pinoy MDs lalo na to those who are still willing to serve kahit they have opportunities to leave.

:D

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 07:44 AM

My uncle and aunt who are both Philippine MDs went to the US as nurses at first. Based on my uncle's justification, he wanted to progress financially faster. Hindi naman kase sya sobrang yaman and he has his own family na. It's true that he used to earn a lot din here sa Phils but it was like he put his family first. Yung kita nya ng 1 month dito sa Pilipinas as a medical doctor, he is able to make it as a USRN within a week or two. So, for him, mas mabilis nyang mapoprovide ng magandang life ang daughter nya and his wife.

But then again, he would always talk to us and have a little regret. Even if he gets paid more as a nurse, sobrang toxic sya sa work. "Minsan mo lang rin ma-enjoy yung salary mo kase puro work at pagod", he would say. Siguro andun narin yung factor na parang na-demote sya. (I don't mean anything derogatory to nurses because I am an RN as well, in med proper now). So I think if he was to make a choice again, and not go for a faster way to earn, he would still choose to stay.

Pero as of now, he and his wife are already doing their residencies again. :(

Nakakasad lang because a lot of Filipino doctors have been migrating already. Sana din kase magkaroon ng more budget ang health sector dito sa country... Nonetheless, I still am proud of all Pinoy MDs lalo na to those who are still willing to serve kahit they have opportunities to leave.

:D

Good day Dr.
Yes its sad to know that a lot have migrated for better opportunities abroad not only as a paramedical but also as a doctor. Regarding your uncle and aunt, where are they taking their residency, in the philippines? If they are older it would not be a problem in the US and western countries because i know some who are aged 30's and above still going into residency.They do not descriminate in age, sex, religion or race. But IN the philippines they would have a difficult time applying if they are on that age bracket.Those who also choose to stay who are currently practicing as GP's or MHO's and wish to be trained better to serve their locality will have limited opportunities should they wish to pursue residency against their much younger colleagues/applicants. Some consultants think that older residents are not be able to perform well during training and will only have a shorter time to serve the populace after training. Now your uncle and aunt has the chance to prove the detractors wrong. God bless.. :laugh2:

#83 tabeebtawari

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 10:19 PM

At least we know who-not-to-vote-for in the coming elections. Malpractice is not due to malice, hence, in the civilized nations on our planet, it is not criminalized. It may be due to incompetence, irresponsibility or negligence but is never due to malice. Our law-makers should study their law books. Are Osmena and Villar lawyers? If they are they are stupid, if they aren't, then their lawyer advisers are stupid. DON'T VOTE FOR THESE GUYS!!!

#84 Romulo M

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 01:15 AM

Are there still any nursing schools na nagbibigay po ng advanced standing para sa mga M.D. graduates na gustong maging nurses? A few years back I've heard na may mga BSN programs (for doctors) that could be completed in less than two years part-time.

Maraming salamat po sa inyong responses.

#85 Manang

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 01:07 PM

Are there still any nursing schools na nagbibigay po ng advanced standing para sa mga M.D. graduates na gustong maging nurses? A few years back I've heard na may mga BSN programs (for doctors) that could be completed in less than two years part-time.

Maraming salamat po sa inyong responses.


You might want to peruse this page:

http://cnhs.fiu.edu/...te_foreign.html

#86 Romulo M

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 02:44 AM

You might want to peruse this page:

http://cnhs.fiu.edu/...te_foreign.html


Ahh okie po.. salamat. Meron po bang local schools that still offer this MD to BSN track?

#87 napagkakamalang MD

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 05:06 AM

Nakakalungkot isipin. ako nga eh nurse ako na mag MMedicine. I have so many opportunities to live abroad and earn a large sum of money pero I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY. hehe To be a doctor is my personal legend.


Let us not die for our country, we would be useless that way, rather let us live for it.

#88 ryomunken

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 09:28 PM

pera pera lang yan.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:17 PM

pera pera lang yan.


an all too familiar phrase i hear these days!! :lol:

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:38 PM

pera pera lang yan.


an all too familiar phrase i hear these days!! :lol:


I agree. Madalas ko na din marinig yan these days.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 04:15 PM

well kanya kanyang CHOICE/S ang mga tao kaya pabayaan nyo kung saan man kayo at ang mga taong nag MD to RN route..Hindi lng palagi pera ang dahilan...

#92 who?me?md??sana..

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 09:30 AM

tama..in d end of ur lyf, ull think that its not all about money...akoy graduating palang ng nursing at magmemed s june at akoy excited na!cguro kc s una lang to.pero we have to think deeper and find meaning in our lives..

#93 angel.charmaine

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Posted 08 May 2010 - 09:52 AM

Nakakalungkot isipin. ako nga eh nurse ako na mag MMedicine. I have so many opportunities to live abroad and earn a large sum of money pero I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY. hehe To be a doctor is my personal legend.


Let us not die for our country, we would be useless that way, rather let us live for it.

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wait till you start your own private practice..yan rin kasi sinabi after ko pumasa ng boards at magresidency training..in the end..i am thinking of whether to take a business course now or IT course...you can't blame doctors becoming nurses..they also have families to feed..not all doctors come from rich families..some doctors like me had to go through financial assistance yet after passing the boards and finishing residency you find the system so bulok...palakasan rin sa hospitals..RHU...even if your intention is good, to help the masses, you just can't get into the system if wala kang kakilala...i feel it's such a waste..i am a doctor who wants to serve the country yet i have to go into another track because being a doctor never guaranteed me a good job..i had my private practice for two years..because it has been my nature to be compassionate, everything became charity works. i did not even get my puhunan for my clinic..now indebted..trying to look for another means to earn...kaya please do not question doctors going into different lines of their profession..i hope you would not be in the same boat after you finished residency training...God bless.

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 08:12 PM


Nakakalungkot isipin. ako nga eh nurse ako na mag MMedicine. I have so many opportunities to live abroad and earn a large sum of money pero I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY. hehe To be a doctor is my personal legend.


Let us not die for our country, we would be useless that way, rather let us live for it.

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wait till you start your own private practice..yan rin kasi sinabi after ko pumasa ng boards at magresidency training..in the end..i am thinking of whether to take a business course now or IT course...you can't blame doctors becoming nurses..they also have families to feed..not all doctors come from rich families..some doctors like me had to go through financial assistance yet after passing the boards and finishing residency you find the system so bulok...palakasan rin sa hospitals..RHU...even if your intention is good, to help the masses, you just can't get into the system if wala kang kakilala...i feel it's such a waste..i am a doctor who wants to serve the country yet i have to go into another track because being a doctor never guaranteed me a good job..i had my private practice for two years..because it has been my nature to be compassionate, everything became charity works. i did not even get my puhunan for my clinic..now indebted..trying to look for another means to earn...kaya please do not question doctors going into different lines of their profession..i hope you would not be in the same boat after you finished residency training...God bless.


I ventured into 8 different businesses before I found the one that became truly succesful. I ventured into retail, food, IT, finance, services and finally farming. Sa lahat ng ginastos ko pwede na ako magpaaral ng 5 med students up to graduation. I realized that a venture doesn't guarantee success. Whatever that venture is. I have nurse classmates working in the US of A but not all of them are well-off some are miserable while some are not. My father had a friend GP in Sta.Rosa whose earning close to six figures with her private practice while here in Pinoymd I hear underpaid consultants. It is very sad to hear the bulok system in hospitals. But just wait until you experience the competition in the business world. I experienced extreme stress. Some businesses I stopped not because its not making money but because I value my life. Ganun kagrabe ang competition. Wala talagang ethics or morals to speak of. My point is, all things have some degree of bulok in them. Now the real test is how you deal with them. Pwede negatively pero better kung positively. Now I am able to say I am doing extremely well in my last and final business. The problem is I am not happy or fulfilled. I realized if you just followed your dream in the first place you will be truly happy despite the trivialities. So if you decide to change your path its up to you but it also will not guarantee anything. I fully understand your feeling of hopelessness ganito din ako noon whenever my business was not doing well but its all part of the process. Pero ganito talaga yata ang buhay one has to experience it to believe it and learn from it. Make something certain though, that your chosen field will make you happy no matter what. Otherwise, wealthy or not, you will be as miserable as the next dick and jane. Take care and Godspeed :)

#95 xthine

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 08:02 AM

For Immediate Hiring
Hi Doctors,
Good day
We are currently looking for medical doctors by specialty. Who are willing to work in our clinic in MAKATI / MANILA / MUNTINLUPA. Right now, we have an existing rosters of doctors namely, 3 CARDIO / 1 PEDIA / 1 PULMO / 1 ENDO / 1 DERMA / FAMILY MEDICINE / INTERNAL MEDICINE / GENERAL PRACTITIONERS.
For interested applicants, please send a copy of your CV with attached photo, PRC ID (Front & Back), TIN ID or TIN Number, Diplo/Fellow Certificate and Doctor's /Medical Official Receipt (Should included your name or "name of doctor" & medical institute).
For specialists, we offer 40/60 sharing.
For your inquiries, please send us an email to angelyn.reantaso@healthway.com.ph / you can text me thru 0906-8988680.We are looking forward to working with you in the future. WE ALSO ACCEPT REFERRALS.Thanks & God bless you.


And how is your response related to this thread? Creating your own ad in the appropriate forum is not enough apparently.

#96 nArSeRi

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 06:15 PM

This is a perfect timing na makita natin kung gaganda ang condition ng mga doktor sa maraming aspeto sa pagpasok ni Pres. Duterte... pag walang pagbabago, then that's the time that I will consider going abroad na ulit... kung gaganda ang situation then, dito na lang :)



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 10:56 PM

Maraming nag ppre-med na hindi natatanggap. Kung kalaban mo sa residency spot ay may kapit, talo ka na, sureball. Dito, ang first year residency, parang fraternity neophyte, kulang nalang sipain ka paalis. May kilala akong magna cum laude, nag USMLE, NOT because of financial reason, but because pangit trato ng resident dito. May kilala din akong PLE topnotcher, at ang nanay niya ay may faculty position sa UST MED at kilala na ang pangalan thus maganda practice, pero yung anak niyang topnotcher, nurse ngayon sa New York.... Iba iba rason.... the work environment.... how people treat you.... the traffic.... a powerful US passport once you are granted citizenship..... more opportunities for your children.... to many to mention when you are in a First world country....