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#1 fieryfjord

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 01:54 PM

I'm quite new here but I have read some of the posts here with interest.


There was a thread that ran here several months ago about the UK needing doctors.

Yes, the UK needs doctors but what they desperately need are consultants. If you look at the doctor job market in the UK, you would notice that it is huge. See BMJ Careers. All hospital vacancies need to be advertised in the UK, as stipulated by the law, and ideally everyone can apply for any of these jobs as long as they fulfil the selection criteria. There are also lots of training opportunities here especially now that the government has passed the European Working Time Directive that limits the maximum working hours of junior doctors to 56 hours a week.

I am presently training as a 2nd year senior house officer (resident) in psychiatry here in England. It took me almost a year to get my post - mainly because of exam schedules. I took PLAB part 1 in September 2002 but was only was able to book part 2 for February 2003, which was a pain in the neck because I had no source of income in between those periods. The exams are relatively easy. Part 1 is a written paper of 200 items (or is it 160, i can't remember) extended matching type questions, and Part 2 is an OSCE (practical exam just like you had in IM second year med school). I got the results 1 month after I took the exam, and got my job 2 months later.

As long as you are pretty determined, you will easily get a job here. However, posts such as surgery, neurology, anaesthesia, medicine are quite competitive. But if you always wanted to be a psychiatrist (like me) the UK is good for training... I have to warn you though, that I also know some doctors who have been trying to get their first jobs here and they are struggling. But I guess this is quite true everywhere you go.

They also need a lot of GPs here, and most people who want a much more easy paced and leisurely life opt for this. You however need to be fully registered with the General Medical Council to qualify for the training scheme.

There are 2 important hiring seasons here - February and August. So if you plan to take the PLAB, make sure that you schedule it wisely. I was quite unlucky with my PLAB 2 test date, so I had to wait for about 5 months before I started my job.

The health system here is very different to the Philippines' though. (Do we actually have a health care system??) Health care is paid by the people's taxes, so all consultations are free, and all doctors are on a uniform salary scale depending on grade and experience. The BMJ Careers website has lots of info about salaries, registration, etc... So just go visit it.

Anyway, just an aside, is there any other UP grad training in the UK? I know that I am the only one from my class who was crazy enough to train here...

Sorry for my rambling, but if you have questions or violent reactions, you know what to do. :eyebrows:

cheers,
Ian

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 03:23 PM

Hi and welcome to pinoy.md. Just a quick question, if you are working in a British overseas territory but your Board certification is American (with at least 7 years experience), can you still work as a consultant in the British system?

#3 fieryfjord

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 04:03 PM

You need to be registered with the General Medical Council to work as a consultant in the UK. Here is the link for registration requirements http://www.gmc-uk.or...ter/default.htm

For people who qualifed outside the European Economic Area and some universities in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Singapore, Hongkong, The West Indies and the University of Malaya, to be registered you may:

(1) Sit the PLAB test
(2) Be sponsored by the Royal College

or according to the GMC website

In December 2002 a new direct route to full registration was introduced for overseas qualified doctors who:

* Have been found eligible for inclusion in the GMCís specialist register by the Specialist Training Authority (STA) of the medical Royal Colleges. Doctors have to satisfy the STA that they have an overseas specialist qualification which is equivalent to a UK Certificate of Completion of Specialist Training (CCST) in the relevant specialty; or, if their overseas specialist qualification was not awarded in a CCST specialty, that their specialist qualification gives them a level of knowledge and skill consistent with practise as a consultant in that specialty in the National Health Service (NHS).
* Have been awarded a Certificate of Equivalent Experience by the Joint Committee on Postgraduate Training for General Practice (JCPTGP).

So basically, you need to go through the GMC before you can work in the UK. I hope that answers your question.

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#4 rogerfederer

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 05:54 PM

I took PLAB part 1 in September 2002 but was only was able to book part 2 for February 2003, which was a pain in the neck because I had no source of income in between those periods. The exams are relatively easy. Part 1 is a written paper of 200 items (or is it 160, i can't remember) extended matching type questions, and Part 2 is an OSCE (practical exam just like you had in IM second year med school). I got the results 1 month after I took the exam, and got my job 2 months later.

Did you have to review for the PLAB.

How would you compare it to USMLE

#5 fieryfjord

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 06:17 PM

Did you have to review for the PLAB.

How would you compare it to USMLE

Yes I reviewed for the PLAB.

Hindi ako nag USMLE, kaya I couldn't do an objective comparison. BUT, I've got lots of USMLE books when I prepared for the Philippine Boards and I would say, the USMLE questions were much more difficult than the PLAB.

PLAB is also very clinically orientated... So if you are experienced especially in the ER (or A&E for the Brits) you will easily pass the exam.

Here is a sample theme:

Theme Differential diagnosis of Epigastric pain.
Select for each patient the SINGLE most suitable diagnosis from the list of options
below.

Options:
A. Viral hepatitis
B. Crohnís disease
C. Acute intermittent porphyria
D. Hirchsprungs disease
E. Bilateral Salpingo-Oophrectomy
F. Myocardial infraction
G. Acute cholecystitis
H. Urinary tract infection
I. Lower lobe pneumonia
J. Acute pancreatitis
K. Reflux oesophagitis
L. Peptic ulceration
M. Ulcerative colitis

A 48-year-old woman reports an epigastric pain that becomes more severe with
large meals and is relieved by hunger.

An obese 49-year-old man reports a burning retrosternal pain thatís aggravated
when drinking hot drinks.

A 36-year-old man complains of weakness and inability to work. He returned
from a holiday in Thailand three weeks before. When examined its discovered
that he has a tender epigastrium and slight Jaundice.

#6 rogerfederer

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 08:19 PM

Did you have to review for the PLAB.

How would you compare it to USMLE

Yes I reviewed for the PLAB.

Hindi ako nag USMLE, kaya I couldn't do an objective comparison. BUT, I've got lots of USMLE books when I prepared for the Philippine Boards and I would say, the USMLE questions were much more difficult than the PLAB.

PLAB is also very clinically orientated... So if you are experienced especially in the ER (or A&E for the Brits) you will easily pass the exam.

Here is a sample theme:

Theme Differential diagnosis of Epigastric pain.
Select for each patient the SINGLE most suitable diagnosis from the list of options
below.

Options:
A. Viral hepatitis
B. Crohnís disease
C. Acute intermittent porphyria
D. Hirchsprungs disease
E. Bilateral Salpingo-Oophrectomy
F. Myocardial infraction
G. Acute cholecystitis
H. Urinary tract infection
I. Lower lobe pneumonia
J. Acute pancreatitis
K. Reflux oesophagitis
L. Peptic ulceration
M. Ulcerative colitis

A 48-year-old woman reports an epigastric pain that becomes more severe with
large meals and is relieved by hunger.

An obese 49-year-old man reports a burning retrosternal pain thatís aggravated
when drinking hot drinks.

A 36-year-old man complains of weakness and inability to work. He returned
from a holiday in Thailand three weeks before. When examined its discovered
that he has a tender epigastrium and slight Jaundice.

kung ganun kadali mga questions eh, sign me up!

#7 dmxmd

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:30 PM

Sooo... What are the answers? :mrgreen:

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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:30 PM

8 or 9 years ago, the royal college of physicians have a program for overseas doctors to train in paediatrics. the only requirement then was a certain english exam and exemption from the PLAB, then they have to return to their own country after the training. that was the route taken by an acquantance before. i dont know if its still available. do you happen to know the current status of this program?

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Posted 23 September 2004 - 04:51 AM

G, K, and A? :huh:

dr. ian aka fieryfjord - thank you for your posts. i took a quick peek at the links, i see that the PLAB costs something like GBP 600 for the two parts. is that all i have to pay for (aside from the IELTS fee and plane tickets that is) or are there other costs to think about? i shall look more thoroughly into this UK thing soon..

have a few other questions, if you are not too busy....

- where in the uk are you? would it be hard to get into london? (as a psychiatrist or otherwise, but psych is a-ok for me!)

- what type of visa do you currently hold, and is that going to change to a "migrant" status in the future?

- would my internship in PGH count as "12 monthsí postgraduate clinical experience in a teaching hospital?"


thank you!


isnt it great that all these options are opening up for us.. and pinoy.md is helping us pool all the info :eyebrows:

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 12:03 AM

Hi fieryfjord! I hope its okay to ask you if u also took the Phil boards? Did u do PLAB immediately after internship? What do u suggest or recommend someone who is interested to do residency in UK but doesnt have any relatives or friends there? How is training in UK? And what specializations would be more penetrable for foreign grads? Thanks and regards! :bye:

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 02:18 AM

One of my acquaintance had her pediatrics training in London thru this scheme. I hope this helps. :wolv:
The Royal College of Physicians of London established the Overseas Doctors' Training Scheme (ODTS) under the arrangements for dual sponsorship introduced by the General Medical Council (GMC). On 1 April 1998, the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health took over responsibility for the ODTS in paediatrics, re-naming it the International Paediatric Training Scheme (IPTS).

The IPTS enables suitably qualified paediatricians from overseas to obtain limited registration from the GMC to practise and train in paediatrics in the UK without first having to pass the Professional and Linguistic Assessment Board (PLAB) test administered by the GMC.

here is the link: Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 02:24 AM

Here is another link relevant to the topic at hand: Overseas Doctors Seeking Clinical Training & Vocational Diplomas :wolv:

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 03:11 AM

And another one here Postgraduate Training for Overseas Doctors in Britain
That's all for now.... gtg

#14 fieryfjord

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 10:24 AM

G, K, and A? :huh:

dr. ian aka fieryfjord - thank you for your posts. i took a quick peek at the links, i see that the PLAB costs something like GBP 600 for the two parts. is that all i have to pay for (aside from the IELTS fee and plane tickets that is) or are there other costs to think about? i shall look more thoroughly into this UK thing soon..

Questions and answers :)

is that all i have to pay for (aside from the IELTS fee and plane tickets that is) or are there other costs to think about?

There are lots of things to think about:

1. You need to apply for a visitor's visa to enter the UK (that is if you decide to sit Part 1 in the UK) for the PLAB. I can't remember how much the fee is, but you need to prove that you can support yourself here in the UK without having to work, or access public funds. - It could be in the form of your bank statements for the last 3 months, or a letter of support (with bank statements or payslips) from anyone who will sponsor you (parents, friends, relatives, etc.) As long as you have all the documents, you will easily get a visa, unlike the US embassy na papahirapan ka.

2. You will need accommodation. It would be great if you've got family or friends who are willing to accommodate you while taking your exam. The standard of living here is pretty high, so everything is dear. The current exchange rate is presently £1: PhP100. I was shocked the first time I got here that a London bus ticket costs £1 one way! A day travel card costs £4.30. It is cheaper living outside London. Flat rentals range from £50 - £500 a week here.

3. You need to plan how long you are willing to stay here. The visa is only good for 6 months but you can renew it up to 3 times for the PLAB Part2 and job-hunting. The catch is you need to pay a fee of £150 everytime you renew your visa (by mail) or £250 (in person), and you need to prove that you can support yourself while in the UK everytime you renew your visa.

4. Consider postage costs/stationery costs once you start job hunting.

5. Once you are eligible for registration with the GMC, you need to pay the registration fee. I think it's £350 for the first year of limited registration.

I think these are the things you consider when you plan to take exams in another country... whether it be in the US, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc.

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- where in the uk are you? would it be hard to get into london? (as a psychiatrist or otherwise, but psych is a-ok for me!)

I live in Lancaster, which is in northwest England. There is more competition for jobs in London in all specialities. Other areas like Cambridge and Oxford also have stiff competition for places. Some trusts around the country offer very good training, so it doesn't really matter where you go as long as the training program is good. I know of some big London institutions who treat their junior doctors like dirt.

Take a look at www.bmjcareers.com. If the applicant is required to submit more than 10 copies of their CV, application form, etc... then that rotation is highly competitive.
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- what type of visa do you currently hold, and is that going to change to a "migrant" status in the future?

I am currently holding a permit free training visa. This is the type of visa offered for trainee doctors. It could be renewed for upto roughly 6 years (i'm not really sure about this) as an SHO, and upto 4 years as a registrar. You can't change it into a resident visa. Once you finish training, you can apply for a working permit as a consultant, and after 2 years apply for a resident status.

If you have a partner who is a British citizen, you can apply for either a resident visa if you are married, or unmarried partner's visa if you are not married.

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- would my internship in PGH count as "12 monthsí postgraduate clinical experience in a teaching hospital?"

yes it will. I also had my internship in PGH, and that was what I wrote in my CV.

hope I answered your questions...

Ian

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 10:38 AM

Hi fieryfjord!  I hope its okay to ask you if u also took the Phil boards?  Did u do PLAB immediately after internship?  What do u suggest or recommend someone who is interested to do residency in UK but doesnt have any relatives or friends there?  How is training in UK? And what specializations would be more penetrable for foreign grads? Thanks and regards!  :bye:

Hi steth.

Yes I took the Philippine Boards in August 2001, and took the PLAB in Sept 2002. I only decided to take the PLAB on Feb 2002, and the earliest test place I could book was Sept! I'm from UPCM Class 2001.

If you don't have friends and relatives in the UK, I suggest you FIND friends and relatives in the UK. As I mentioned above, the cost of living here is very high.

Training in the UK is different because of the National Health System. When you undergo training, you will be under the Royal College. Each speciality has it's own College. And you need to pass the membership exams to advance in your career. The Royal Colleges have a set of guidelines for training followed by every training hospital. So training is quite good here, as it is regulated.

There are lots of "foreign" doctors in every speciality here.
Internal Medicine and Surgery are quite popular but very competitive.
Psychiatry is also popular for foreign doctors.
There are lots of foreign doctors in Orthopaedics and Geriatric Medicine as well.

But basically, if you are determined and good, you can get into the speciality that you want here.

Ian

#16 lazarus

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Posted 04 October 2004 - 05:18 PM

Hey Ian, how's it going over there in the UK?

Good to see you in Pinoy.MD

Jon

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Posted 04 October 2004 - 06:56 PM

@fieryfjord
What about Radiology?

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 03:12 PM

Here is something relevant I stumbled into:

From Sun Star Cebu: Phil. Embassy endorses UK-RP exchange program:

The program will initially involve practitioners in the family and community medicine. It will be launched with the visit to the country by top-level members of the UK team composed of Dr. Garth Manning, medical director for international development, and Dr. Nav Chana, international development supervisor, both from the Royal College of General Practitioners; Dr. Shaaz Mahboob, international medical recruitment coordinator of the London Workforce Development Confederation, and George Chowrimootoo, president and CEO of Elite Solutions International (Esil).

The UK teamís activities in the Philippines are being organized by Asset, Inc., the Philippine affiliate of Esil. The team will conduct institutional visits to observe how Filipino doctors deliver primary health care services. They will also meet and discuss the details of the program with representatives from the academe, the professional associations and medical practitioners who will attend the symposium and public forum on Nov. 13 at the Manila Hotel and on Nov. 15 at the Waterfront Cebu City Hotel and Casino (WCCHC).

Qualified practitioners interested in the program may register and submit their resume to Asset Inc. at TDS bldg., 72 Kamias road, Quezon city or call (02) 436-9217 for more information.


Those interested, please apply or call immediately. November 13 na yung sa Manila. Please take notes and share details here.

Thanks! :D

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Posted 31 October 2004 - 11:00 PM

Here is something relevant I stumbled into:

From Sun Star Cebu: Phil. Embassy endorses UK-RP exchange program:

The program will initially involve practitioners in the family and community medicine. It will be launched with the visit to the country by top-level members of the UK team composed of Dr. Garth Manning, medical director for international development, and Dr. Nav Chana, international development supervisor, both from the Royal College of General Practitioners; Dr. Shaaz Mahboob, international medical recruitment coordinator of the London Workforce Development Confederation, and George Chowrimootoo, president and CEO of Elite Solutions International (Esil).

The UK teamís activities in the Philippines are being organized by Asset, Inc., the Philippine affiliate of Esil. The team will conduct institutional visits to observe how Filipino doctors deliver primary health care services. They will also meet and discuss the details of the program with representatives from the academe, the professional associations and medical practitioners who will attend the symposium and public forum on Nov. 13 at the Manila Hotel and on Nov. 15 at the Waterfront Cebu City Hotel and Casino (WCCHC).

Qualified practitioners interested in the program may register and submit their resume to Asset Inc. at TDS bldg., 72 Kamias road, Quezon city or call (02) 436-9217 for more information.


Those interested, please apply or call immediately. November 13 na yung sa Manila. Please take notes and share details here.

Thanks! :D

This has been initially posted by claire here.
Ans as sunshine's reaction to this:

the 5k sounds fishy ingat mga to.... good luck anyway...



#20 mikemuin

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Posted 01 November 2004 - 08:01 AM

Sorry... :( :lol: It's hard to keep track of posts sometimes. :blink: :D

#21 xyberdoc

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Posted 02 November 2004 - 12:46 AM

you know I tried to get into that place kaso airfare pa lang, wala na :bye:

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 08:29 AM

Hello pinoy md's. I have talked to Mr. Chowrimootoo, one of the organizer of this UK-Phil program, and he told me that the reason why the reg fee is 5 thou is beacuse of the top-level UK team that they have invited to conduct the symposium. He is recommending it to doctors who want to practice their profession abroad esp UK rather than taking-up nursing course.

#23 mikemuin

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 08:34 AM

That makes sense. Somebody has to pay for their airfares. Shouldn't that have been covered by some partnership agreement? I thought they were looking for doctors.

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 08:45 AM

I think the employer wherever you will be assigned is the one who will shoulder the airfare. Still have to clarify it.

#25 Orange

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 08:31 PM

hello po..... UK sounds interesting..... better alternative to nursing...... hmmm.......

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Posted 29 October 2005 - 09:15 PM

maganda ba ng training for dermatology sa Uk?
sa pag nag boards ka na dito sa pinas.. all you need to take is an USMLE equivalent exam sa Uk? tapos pwede ka na magresidency program don?

meron bang mabait dito na pwede pag email sakin

step by step?

sige na pls :) hehehehe

paki pm nalang sakin

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Posted 30 October 2005 - 02:43 PM

maganda ba ng training for dermatology sa Uk?
sa pag nag boards ka na dito sa pinas.. all you need to take is an USMLE equivalent exam sa Uk? tapos pwede ka na magresidency program don?

meron bang mabait dito na pwede pag email sakin

step by step?

sige na pls :) hehehehe

paki pm nalang sakin

Dermatology is one of the most competitive field anywhere (Phil, US or UK). Maganda kasi ang lifestyle and income.
Try sending fieryfjord a PM about the procedures and details. BTW PLAB is not easier than USMLE and even after passing, some immigrants (most of them are Indians-they can take it in their home country) are having a hard time getting a training post.

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 02:37 AM

good day!! doctor ian, you said you reviewed for the PLAB - may i know where?

what were the review materials you used?

thanks!! :blush:

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 04:34 AM

good day!! doctor ian, you said you reviewed for the PLAB - may i know where?

what were the review materials you used?

thanks!! :blush:



oo nga po doc ian... i want to try PLAB... tnx po

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 05:27 PM

tumatanggap pa p ba sila ng foreign doctors sa UK? sabi sa balita nung mga february nde na daw eh kasi sufficient na daw ang mga local doctors nde na daw kailangan kumuha pa ng foreigners except daw yung nagstart na ng training... <_<

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 07:48 AM

hello im in the uk right now. and i will be taking the PLAB1 this october. Pwede pa rin magpractice d2 basta mapasa mo yung plab1 and 2. yun nga lang matatagalan kasi ang hiring nila yata is once a year sa mga post and you will wait about 6-1 year para magkaroon ng post. about sa training i think its closed sa mga IMG (intenational medical graduates) ngayon till 2010 something because nagrereklamo yata ang mga briton na mas marami ang mga foreigner sa mga training post kaysa sa kanila sa nakikita ko almost all of the NHS hospitals are flooded with Indian doctors. tsaka mahigpit ang kumpetensya dito. so if you pass the plab1&2 you will practice as GP after mo magparegister sa GMC kung may available na post... if you want to check GMC website try this link www.gmc-uk.org for more info...

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 11:07 PM

hello im in the uk right now. and i will be taking the PLAB1 this october. Pwede pa rin magpractice d2 basta mapasa mo yung plab1 and 2. yun nga lang matatagalan kasi ang hiring nila yata is once a year sa mga post and you will wait about 6-1 year para magkaroon ng post. about sa training i think its closed sa mga IMG (intenational medical graduates) ngayon till 2010 something because nagrereklamo yata ang mga briton na mas marami ang mga foreigner sa mga training post kaysa sa kanila sa nakikita ko almost all of the NHS hospitals are flooded with Indian doctors. tsaka mahigpit ang kumpetensya dito. so if you pass the plab1&2 you will practice as GP after mo magparegister sa GMC kung may available na post... if you want to check GMC website try this link www.gmc-uk.org for more info...


hope u dont mind, is ur current work in UK med- related? kasi i know sum1 hu is in UK whos working for free in hospital as intern. di ko yata kaya yun. how much are u paying for plab? so am i right that ur taking it to be a GP in UK? kung ganun nga, magkano ang ineexpect mong salary as GP? tnx

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 06:50 AM

hello im in the uk right now. and i will be taking the PLAB1 this october. Pwede pa rin magpractice d2 basta mapasa mo yung plab1 and 2. yun nga lang matatagalan kasi ang hiring nila yata is once a year sa mga post and you will wait about 6-1 year para magkaroon ng post. about sa training i think its closed sa mga IMG (intenational medical graduates) ngayon till 2010 something because nagrereklamo yata ang mga briton na mas marami ang mga foreigner sa mga training post kaysa sa kanila sa nakikita ko almost all of the NHS hospitals are flooded with Indian doctors. tsaka mahigpit ang kumpetensya dito. so if you pass the plab1&2 you will practice as GP after mo magparegister sa GMC kung may available na post... if you want to check GMC website try this link www.gmc-uk.org for more info...


hope u dont mind, is ur current work in UK med- related? kasi i know sum1 hu is in UK whos working for free in hospital as intern. di ko yata kaya yun. how much are u paying for plab? so am i right that ur taking it to be a GP in UK? kung ganun nga, magkano ang ineexpect mong salary as GP? tnx


im working as sales assistant right now. part time job lang siya. pero im looking for another job sa hospital. shadowing yung sinasabi mo yung working for free as intern nasa sayo yun kung gusto mo to be familiarized sa system nila dito sa uk. may advantage yun kasi pag pumasa ka na ng plab pwede mo sila kunin as reference sa mga aaplayan mo na post at pwede ka rin nila irecommend pag may vacant na post sa kanila. you can work part time while doing shadowing. ang fee ng plab 1 is £145 yata. ang mga doctor d2 sa uk well compensated i don't know the exact amount sa GP pero sa mga consultant abot ng £70k-90k a year even higher. not bad diba... i hope that will help... cheers

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 06:13 AM

another thing you may apply for ielts exemption sa GMC basta kumpleto ka ng mga papers from the PRC wala pang 1 year na nakapasa ka ng board exams and you have not taken or applied for the ielts exam. sayang din kasi yung money and time sa pagrereview sa ielts. no need na rin magpaauthenticate sa DFA ng documents kasi they are not accepting authenticated documents mas prefer nila ang original documents. binalik nila lahat ng authenticated documents ko so binigay ko ang mga original and i can take the PLAB till jan 2010 na walang ielts.. right now i bag a job at the hospital as a sterile technician dyan sa pinas as a CSR technician. i hope this helps... cheers...

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Posted 26 July 2008 - 06:24 AM

I'm surprised that UK are still open for non-EU citizens..because I have some collegues from Singapore and Malaysia who are actually MBBS graduates of UK and Ireland who did not even bother to apply as the competition even among EU citizens are quite stiff......... and non-EU citizens are the least of the priorities.

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Posted 27 July 2008 - 12:00 PM

I'm surprised that UK are still open for non-EU citizens..because I have some collegues from Singapore and Malaysia who are actually MBBS graduates of UK and Ireland who did not even bother to apply as the competition even among EU citizens are quite stiff......... and non-EU citizens are the least of the priorities.


your right it's quite stiff and the competition is quite tough. they are still giving the PLAB exam so it's still open but at your own risk.. they are not promising that you can be employed as a doctor right Away... so it's better to have other job here while waiting for a post as a SHO sa hospital before you can apply for any specialty training... cheers...

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:33 AM

I'm surprised that UK are still open for non-EU citizens..because I have some collegues from Singapore and Malaysia who are actually MBBS graduates of UK and Ireland who did not even bother to apply as the competition even among EU citizens are quite stiff......... and non-EU citizens are the least of the priorities.


your right it's quite stiff and the competition is quite tough. they are still giving the PLAB exam so it's still open but at your own risk.. they are not promising that you can be employed as a doctor right Away... so it's better to have other job here while waiting for a post as a SHO sa hospital before you can apply for any specialty training... cheers...


Oh?....but have you ever considered that the PLASB at this point in time is just a money-making scheme. Many post graduate exams in the UK are now suspected to be just money making scheme. This issue is an open secret among my collegues in Singapore..... :rolleyes:

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 02:12 PM

I'm surprised that UK are still open for non-EU citizens..because I have some collegues from Singapore and Malaysia who are actually MBBS graduates of UK and Ireland who did not even bother to apply as the competition even among EU citizens are quite stiff......... and non-EU citizens are the least of the priorities.


your right it's quite stiff and the competition is quite tough. they are still giving the PLAB exam so it's still open but at your own risk.. they are not promising that you can be employed as a doctor right Away... so it's better to have other job here while waiting for a post as a SHO sa hospital before you can apply for any specialty training... cheers...


Oh?....but have you ever considered that the PLASB at this point in time is just a money-making scheme. Many post graduate exams in the UK are now suspected to be just money making scheme. This issue is an open secret among my collegues in Singapore..... :rolleyes:



i don't know about that.. but i'm just taking my chances... i'm already here... it's just a matter of time before i take the part 1 of the exam. By the way i know some filipino doctors who are employed as doctors after passing the PLAB so im taking the risk... bye... :laugh2:

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Posted 24 March 2009 - 02:18 PM

Hi lorre316!

How is your plab1?
Did you make it. Share naman po!

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:07 AM

wait! Tama ba ang naintindihan ko from the posts that UK will not hire as much IMGs by the year 2010? or sa 2010 ulit sila magtatanggap? secondly, someone mentioned that you can be exempted from ielts as long as wala pang 1 year ka nakapasar ng phils boards....but again, this must be done by the year 2010? am so confused.... :unsure:

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Posted 21 November 2009 - 09:51 AM

this is a very helpful thread for those interested in taking PLAB.

i am considering this path too since my sister will be a UK nurse next year.

i hope fieryfjord or other Pinoy MDs in UK would post their experiences again. such as: what are the chances of a GP now to get a job? or do i have a fellow new GP who will be doing the PLAB path?

:mrgreen:

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 08:40 AM

I read that they changed the immigration policy for healthcare professionals. They now have to find citizens from EU countries before getting from outside the EU. That's why a lot of Indians are upset about this as many of them have already passed the PLAB's. That's also the reason you rarely find Filipino nurses going to the UK whereas in the past there are thousands each year going there. This is also the reason there is intense competition for residency in the US as it is the only country open for foreign grads trying to get residencies.

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 07:55 AM

second emotion w/ Tortuga;)VERY VERY competitive and US residency..karamihan sa program na nag apply were from INDIA..anyways, may pag asa parin ang mga Pinoy dahil matiyaga&masipag tayo kesa sa kanila...

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 02:03 AM

I read that they changed the immigration policy for healthcare professionals. They now have to find citizens from EU countries before getting from outside the EU. That's why a lot of Indians are upset about this as many of them have already passed the PLAB's. That's also the reason you rarely find Filipino nurses going to the UK whereas in the past there are thousands each year going there. This is also the reason there is intense competition for residency in the US as it is the only country open for foreign grads trying to get residencies.


oh no. can you please send me towards where you read that please? i've heard stories but i never got to read anything official. jargon na masyado. hehe

my sister still has plans of entering the UK... as a nurse. still awaiting her visa letter. but if the future looks bleak for her there... :unsure:

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Posted 28 November 2009 - 02:59 AM

I read that they changed the immigration policy for healthcare professionals. They now have to find citizens from EU countries before getting from outside the EU. That's why a lot of Indians are upset about this as many of them have already passed the PLAB's. That's also the reason you rarely find Filipino nurses going to the UK whereas in the past there are thousands each year going there. This is also the reason there is intense competition for residency in the US as it is the only country open for foreign grads trying to get residencies.


oh no. can you please send me towards where you read that please? i've heard stories but i never got to read anything official. jargon na masyado. hehe

my sister still has plans of entering the UK... as a nurse. still awaiting her visa letter. but if the future looks bleak for her there... :unsure:


It's true.

I don't know about nurses but its true with doctors. The NHS says specifically that the company is required to look for a suitable candidate in the UK and EEU before considering applicants outside.
It's not hopeless though. You just need a good solid, not to mention outstanding, resume and background to get in.
Goodluck ;)

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:17 AM

hello doc ian ;

just read your MSG regarding doctors here in UK just want to ask an advice , I just arrived here in UK last Oct.2011 didn't have training or residency in our country dont know were to start on how to established my self here or start here . I'm now in wales living in my wife which who petition me as a dependent and presently working as a carer here . please give me an advice what to do , what I know is you have to pass IELTS then plab test 1 and 2 after that no idea at all what im about to confront if i would be pursuing it. question are is it hard to pass the plab ? and is it realistic for us Filipinos to have our practice here as of now ? did you took up any review classes prior to plab and any reviewers to used that I could buy authors and title of the books ? hoped to hear from you doc ian ty


doc ed

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:33 AM

Hello Ed,

Sorry for this late reply.
I think you would be well informed if you go to the links I posted a while back - the General Medical Council website about what is required to be able to work in the UK as a doctor. As far as I know, it is getting more difficult for foreign doctors to take up training post here, but it will depend on your immigration status. UK legislation dictate that posts are offered to EU doctors first, and non-EU doctors will be considered thereafter.

I did the IELTS and PLAB 8-9 years ago. If you are comfortable with your English, IELTS won't be a problem. What is measured in PLAB is your knowledge and communication skills, so if you need to brush up on those, read the Oxford Handbook of Medicine. Also there are forums around that you can go to. Just search PLAB revision in google and you will find a lot of reference to it. What I did was read the Oxford Handbooks and also a PLAB revision book, I can't remember what it's called now. I also looked at practice exam questions which you can get online. Most of the questions are repeated. I did not join any review class, but I was able to organise a review group - it's a good way to socialise! I had mostly Eastern Europeans and Iranian doctors in my group. The important thing about passing the PLAB especially part 2 is practice. If you can find a revision group in your town, join it! Is it hard to pass PLAB? I think that because training in the Philippines is based on the US model, Filipinos need to work harder in familiarising themselves to practices in the UK. You can do this by looking at the NICE guidelines - www.NICE.org.uk

Is it realistic for Filipinos to have their practice in the UK? Just to say, doctors here don't have a practice (unless you're a GP). Majority of doctors are employed by the NHS, so if you have to specialise, you will become a hospital doctor. I know of other Filipino doctors working here as doctors, so I think it is realistic. As long as you are determined to do it, and if you have the resources to do it, then pursue it. It could be frustrating though because of the long wait - results, etc... and the application process for training has become more centralised and annoying.

Also, if you can, try and shadow an NHS doctor. You can do this by going to a local hospital and ask around. Usually you can phone the HR department and ask whether they accept clinical attachments on the specialty you want to do.

I wish you good luck.

Ian

hello doc ian ;

just read your MSG regarding doctors here in UK just want to ask an advice , I just arrived here in UK last Oct.2011 didn't have training or residency in our country dont know were to start on how to established my self here or start here . I'm now in wales living in my wife which who petition me as a dependent and presently working as a carer here . please give me an advice what to do , what I know is you have to pass IELTS then plab test 1 and 2 after that no idea at all what im about to confront if i would be pursuing it. question are is it hard to pass the plab ? and is it realistic for us Filipinos to have our practice here as of now ? did you took up any review classes prior to plab and any reviewers to used that I could buy authors and title of the books ? hoped to hear from you doc ian ty


doc ed



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Posted 19 April 2011 - 03:05 PM

any filipino doctors in UK.. i'm just new here in this country :unsure:

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:20 AM

G, K, and A? :huh:

dr. ian aka fieryfjord - thank you for your posts. i took a quick peek at the links, i see that the PLAB costs something like GBP 600 for the two parts. is that all i have to pay for (aside from the IELTS fee and plane tickets that is) or are there other costs to think about? i shall look more thoroughly into this UK thing soon..

Questions and answers :)

is that all i have to pay for (aside from the IELTS fee and plane tickets that is) or are there other costs to think about?

There are lots of things to think about:

1. You need to apply for a visitor's visa to enter the UK (that is if you decide to sit Part 1 in the UK) for the PLAB. I can't remember how much the fee is, but you need to prove that you can support yourself here in the UK without having to work, or access public funds. - It could be in the form of your bank statements for the last 3 months, or a letter of support (with bank statements or payslips) from anyone who will sponsor you (parents, friends, relatives, etc.) As long as you have all the documents, you will easily get a visa, unlike the US embassy na papahirapan ka.

2. You will need accommodation. It would be great if you've got family or friends who are willing to accommodate you while taking your exam. The standard of living here is pretty high, so everything is dear. The current exchange rate is presently £1: PhP100. I was shocked the first time I got here that a London bus ticket costs £1 one way! A day travel card costs £4.30. It is cheaper living outside London. Flat rentals range from £50 - £500 a week here.

3. You need to plan how long you are willing to stay here. The visa is only good for 6 months but you can renew it up to 3 times for the PLAB Part2 and job-hunting. The catch is you need to pay a fee of £150 everytime you renew your visa (by mail) or £250 (in person), and you need to prove that you can support yourself while in the UK everytime you renew your visa.

4. Consider postage costs/stationery costs once you start job hunting.

5. Once you are eligible for registration with the GMC, you need to pay the registration fee. I think it's £350 for the first year of limited registration.

I think these are the things you consider when you plan to take exams in another country... whether it be in the US, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc.

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- where in the uk are you? would it be hard to get into london? (as a psychiatrist or otherwise, but psych is a-ok for me!)

I live in Lancaster, which is in northwest England. There is more competition for jobs in London in all specialities. Other areas like Cambridge and Oxford also have stiff competition for places. Some trusts around the country offer very good training, so it doesn't really matter where you go as long as the training program is good. I know of some big London institutions who treat their junior doctors like dirt.

Take a look at www.bmjcareers.com. If the applicant is required to submit more than 10 copies of their CV, application form, etc... then that rotation is highly competitive.
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- what type of visa do you currently hold, and is that going to change to a "migrant" status in the future?

I am currently holding a permit free training visa. This is the type of visa offered for trainee doctors. It could be renewed for upto roughly 6 years (i'm not really sure about this) as an SHO, and upto 4 years as a registrar. You can't change it into a resident visa. Once you finish training, you can apply for a working permit as a consultant, and after 2 years apply for a resident status.

If you have a partner who is a British citizen, you can apply for either a resident visa if you are married, or unmarried partner's visa if you are not married.

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- would my internship in PGH count as "12 months' postgraduate clinical experience in a teaching hospital?"

yes it will. I also had my internship in PGH, and that was what I wrote in my CV.

hope I answered your questions...

Ian



dr ian just want to ask you how did you get there i mean, you have relatives there while you were taking exams? or you took your chances? how were you able to prove your financial capability to stay there, were you working while reviewing for the exams? details please... thanks

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 01:24 AM

i did plan of taking the PLAB before but backed out the last minute. now i'm regretting that move. i could have been settled in the UK already. tsk, tsk, tsk.............